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 Post subject: A lot of people now use antipsychotics, especially atypicals, to treat anxiety in bipolar patients.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:13 am 
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Dr. Michael J. Ostacher wrote:

I think all the branded atypicals are approved for the treatment of mania in bipolar disorder, either monotherapy or as adjunctive treatment. Only aripiprazole and ziprasidone are not approved for adjunctive treatment at this point. Those are drugs that are routinely used in bipolar disorder, specifically for anxiety. It’s quite difficult to recommend those drugs directly for the treatment of anxiety in people with bipolar disorder in the absence of data.

There are some data from the quetiapine depression study that suggests that anxiety scores drop considerably, but there are other studies that are ongoing. We are doing a study at Mass General, an investigator-initiated trial that Naomi Simon is the principal investigator of and for which I’m the co-principal investigator, of ziprasidone added to adequate mood stabilizers for the treatment of generalized anxiety disorder in people with bipolar disorder, and that is the only current study that I’m aware of that’s looking specifically at that issue.

Tardive dyskinesia is not my biggest concern when using these drugs with people with bipolar disorder. My major concerns are metabolic effects of the drug. All of these drugs have warnings in them about diabetes and cholesterol problems, even though clearly there are some drugs that are more problematic when it comes to that than others. If people have patients who are being treated, who have persistent anxiety, who are not being treated with atypicals, I think given the approval of those drugs for use in bipolar disorder, it’s probably reasonable to try them. At this point, though, because of the absence of data, I could not make a recommendation as to which one might be better than others, because none is specifically studied in a way that is designed to answer the question directly. There’s some quetiapine data available, but beyond that it’s not completely clear to me that one would be better than the other.

So I don’t think it’s unreasonable to use those to treat anxiety and to do it empirically. I think that we need to share with the patients the potential risks of using those drugs, especially when it’s for a use for which we don’t have very much data, but at the same time I think it’s perfectly reasonable to do so.

-Michael J. Ostacher, MD, MPH
Associate Medical Director,
Bipolar and Research Program,
Massachusetts General Hospital;
Instructor in Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School


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 Post subject: Re: A lot of people now use antipsychotics, especially atypicals
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:24 am 
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I am treating a bipolar disorder patient who has been very difficult to stabalize.Have tried Seroquel(which took care of the mood) but she gained 100 pounds and her tryglycerides went up to 400.Tried Sapharis which caused her to becoming very paranoid and running out of her volunteer job.Tried Fanapt without sucess as well.Started her on Geodon and she did fine mood wise but developed a rash all over trunk.arms up to the neck,minimal on face when discontinued.
She remains on her lamictal (which she has been on for years).She is not sleeping despite ambien and complains of feeling anxious all the time.SSRIs make her manic.She is a mixed episode bipolar with 4 very serious suicide attempts and was just recently hospitalized because she was planning to jump out the second story window because she was "invinceable"
Any help you can give would be appreciated


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